Today's guest is author Mindy McGinnis, who is an Edgar Award-winning novelist who writes across multiple genres, including post-apocalyptic, historical, thriller, contemporary, mystery, and fantasy.
While her settings may change, you can always count on Mindy’s books to deliver grit, truth, and an unflinching look at humanity and the world around us.
She is is the author of Not a Drop to Drink and its companion, In a Handful of Dust, as well as This Darkness Mine, The Female of the Species, Given to the Sea, Heroine, and the Edgar Award–winning novel A Madness So Discreet. Find more info here at:
www.mindymcginnis.com/
Tell us about your work.
I write very gritty, intense novels for teens. I’m not scared to tackle the difficult questions, and often do so in a way that invites discussion. As a result, my books are often a love / hate situation for a lot of readers, and I’m fine with that. They’re both strong emotions, at least!
What was your favorite book when you were growing up?
Hard to say. I liked to collect series and often felt the need to re-read from the beginning if a new title in a series came out. So I read voraciously but I always returned to the Bunnicula series!
What is your favorite book now as an adult?
The Stand, by Stephen King is a perennial favorite for me.
I always reread my favorite books. Do you reread books and if so, which one(s) have you read over again?
The Stand, for sure. Also all of the Outlander books. Other than those, I’m not much of a re-reader.
Who are some of your favorite authors?
Stephen King, Matt Haig, Val McDermid, Diana Galadon, Colleen McCullough – these are all authors I can depend on.
A lot of creatives (artists, writers, musicians) have talked about how the pandemic has impacted their creativity. How has it been for you?
It’s been okay, honestly. I worked from home before, so things didn’t change drastically for me. I actually started working out more intensely than before, because I knew the possibility for my anxiety and depression to spike was there. I’ve always been able to count on exercise to pull me out of ruts, so if anything the pandemic has made me healthier.
What is your writing schedule like?
I don’t write every day, but when I am actively working on a project I aim to write 1000 words a day, or 5000 in a week. If Thursday rolls around and I’m clocking a 0 word count, the next few days are going to hurt.
What are you working on now?
Not actively writing anything new. I’ve finishing up edits on my 2022 release, The Last Laugh, which is the second in a Poe-inspired duology.
You can find Mindy and all her social media pages here: : https://www.mindymcginnis.com/
Mindy's upcoming release, The Initial Insult, releases February 23, 2021.
2020 Ohioana Book Festival YA Panel
A discussion with some of the best and brightest of Young Adult fiction writers.
Moderator: Jody Casella
Panelists: Cinda Williams Chima, Dee Garretson, Mindy McGinnis, Kimberly Gabriel
Dear Lovely Universe: A Real Look Behind the Success of Mindy McGinnis
In this episode, I sit down with Mindy McGinnis who is a writer, published author, and podcaster to discuss what really happened behind the curtains of her writing career and how she got to where she is now. This episode is for you if you are an aspiring writer, podcaster, business aspiring/owner, creator, etc that is taking the route of personally making something of yourself.
Personally, I really enjoyed this conversation with Mindy. I resonated with what she said a lot, especially when she talked about how on this path if you don’t make it the only person who is really going to get disappointed is you. A lot of other people can cheer you on, but whether you fail or make it doesn’t affect them at all. I really hope that you find the time to listen to this episode because I think you will benefit from it. This description really doesn’t do the episode enough justice.
In this episode, we discuss:
What self-starting means to Mindy and her real-life experience.
Advice that she has for writers and entrepreneurs. (Mindy said that she believes anyone can be a writer. Of course, given that you put in the work.)
What she would like to say to people who ask themselves, “Why am I this way?”.
Why Mindy thinks it is important to persevere and accept your reality.
Where her inspiration for writing comes from.
And much more!
Author Chat with Mindy McGinnis
YABC: What gave you the inspiration to write this book?
I'm an avid hiker and ended up in a very remote Pennsylvania forest. I had an opinion about whether or not we should take a spur of the trail, and the person I was with had a different perspective. I didn't think we could get the spur in before night fell. He definitely thought we could. We ended up losing light fast, in an unfamiliar, extremely remote area, with dying flashlight batteries and a trail about as wide as your hand. We made it out around 10 PM and found the car, but there were some dark moments, including the idea that we might be spending the night out there, with no gear for that. I never thought we might actually get LOST, but it was a possibility. He was apologetic about the bad decision, and I told him I was okay with it, because I got an idea for a book out of the ordeal.
YABC: Who is your favorite character in the book?
This is a great question because my main character, Ashley, is alone for 90% of the book. She's lost in the woods, and as a writer, there's no one for her to talk to, bounce ideas off of, or interact with at all. You get to know your character really well when it's just the two of you. In the past, people have asked me which of my characters is most like me, in real life. The answer used to be Brooke, from This Darkness Mine. Now, it's Ashley. She is very much me, in a lot of ways.
YABC: What scene in the book are you most proud of, and why?
Hmmm.... let's just say there's a moment of self-surgery that made me very happy, on a visceral level.
YABC: What do you like most about the cover of the book?
The cover is fantastic, because it carries all the elements of the Smoky Mountains... but then if you step back and look at it, it's actually a Rohrschach. And there's a skull in there!
YABC: What’s up next for you?
I'm very excited about my release coming in 2021, The Initial Insult, which blends retellings of Edgar Allan Poe stories in a contemporary Appalachian setting. You can add it on Goodreads, here: https://www.goodreads.com/…/show/49200324-the-initial-insult
YABC: Which character gave you the most trouble when writing your latest book?
The most trouble for this book was the simple fact that Ashley is alone for 90% of the time. Not only that, but there are only so many things you can throw at someone when they are lost in the woods - injury, weather, animals, natural disaster. That's really it. So it's hard to keep things interesting and lively, when really what you're doing is narrating someone walking by themselves for 10 days.
YABC: What would you say is your superpower?
Animals love me. Animals and babies. I will draw them all to me one day, and everyone else will die of loneliness.
YABC: Is there an organization or cause that is close to your heart?
I support a wildlife rehabilitation center that is near where I live. They are constantly providing medical care for injured wildlife, and releasing them back into their home environment after healing. http://wildlifehaven.tripod.com/
Frolic Interview
Note From Frolic: Our resident YA expert Aurora Dominguez got the opportunity to interview author Mindy McGinnis and ask her five(ish) questions. Mindy’s novel ‘Be Not Far From Me‘ is out March 3rd!]
What was your inspiration behind your most recent novel?
I am an avid hiker, and often take vacations in places where I can get some hiking in. One such vacation was near a particularly dense Pennsylvania forest. The person I was with thought we could get a spur of the trail in before darkness fell. I didn’t think we could, and said so, but curiosity outweighed caution and we tried it. Hours later, with no overnight packs and failing phone batteries, we were in pitch black with a trail as wide as my hand, mostly searching for faded blazes on trees to mark our way. It was simultaneously exhilarating and terrifying. We did break out onto the trailhead around 11 PM. And no, I didn’t rub it in that I had been right about that spur. I was too grateful that we’d made it back to our car… and that a novel had been born while we wandered. But me being right about the spur totally came up the next day.
What character do you most relate to and why?
People ask me often what character of mine I’m most like. Ashley is definitely the answer. I grew up pretty hardscrabble, and a lot of the stories from her childhood are only slightly adapted from my own experiences.
Please describe the content of your latest book and what can readers expect from the read.
I pitch Be Not Far From Me as “drunk Hatchet, with a girl.” That pretty much sums it up. You can expect an angry, female Gary Paulsen vibe.
What’s next for you in the book world?
I’m very excited for my 2021 release, The Initial Insult, which blends retellings of Edgar Allan Poe stories in a contemporary Appalachian Ohio setting.
Who is your favorite writer right now and why?
I don’t tend to have favorite writers. I will pick up anything and give it a shot. I will say that anything by Tiffany D. Jackson has my vote!
Behind the Book Jacket
By Grace S. , West Jefferson HS Student
Author, podcaster, book saleswoman, and overall fascinating person Mindy McGinnis visited our school on October 24th, 2019. Media Specialist, Mrs. Kearns, scheduled her to come and give 50-minute talks to the middle school and high school about her novels.
Because of this, we all sat in on her presentation. Anybody can google her. I am interested in the discrete parts of her; the person she is behind the jacket photo. I had the opportunity to interview her in between sessions. We talked for 31 minutes about canned tomatoes, meat processing plants, and lobotomies.
I sat with Mindy and my best friend, Cory Ratcliff, at the first round table in the library waiting for Mrs. Kearns to get back from her lunch run. Once she got back, the questions started. Throughout the interview, kids interrupted with books for her to sign and questions about how to make their writing better. She obliged everyone.
First we talked about emotions. Since her books tend to cause so many people cry, I needed to know if she cries when she reads books or watches movies. She said she does, “especially if it’s about dogs,” and that she doesn’t have “a problem with getting completely emotionally invested into something.”
Fall is easily her favorite season. She enjoys the weather, the breeze, and the noises. In true author fashion, she launched into a descriptive rant about her love of the autumnal noises. “Fall has so many sounds. The dead leaves skittering, but also corn, so when the corn is dry, oh my gosh, those noises that it makes. It’s very special and very specific to corn,” said McGinnis. “All of those things, cicadas, bugs...Just even the bugs, everything is different in the fall. There is something about it. It gets me every time. I love it.”
Another thing she loves about the fall is the harvesting season. She is a farmer’s daughter, so fall has been a big farming season for her whole life. Panic is the mindset of the season because there is a narrow window between ripe crops and rotting vegetables that a farmer must straddle. McGinnis has gotten good at walking that fine line. She said, “Controlled chaos is probably one of my organs.”
Most of her stories take place in Ohio. She does this so that every type of kid can see themselves portrayed in a book. “I just like to write about regular people leading regular lives,” said McGinnis. She had been a librarian for five years before she started writing. She noticed a discrepancy in the socio-economic status of the characters in books and the kids reading them. “All the books that were really popular at the time were very much about rich kids and the sons and daughters of movie stars...Those were the books people were reading, those were the books that the kids liked, and they were all about really rich kids with rich kid problems. Where I’m from, we don’t have rich kid problems. [We have an] eighty percent free and reduced lunch kind of situation. I wanted to write a book that reflected their lives.” And so she wrote Not A Drop to Drink.
Her vocabulary when she speaks is obvious of a writer. She used big words such as “vignette”, “populating”, “burlesque” and “percolating” in our lax conversations. She said her favorite word is “circuitous” which means “round and round and round”.
Speaking of favorites, I asked her about her favorite music to listen to. She said she listens to music “all the time”. McGinnis's music taste changes frequently. At the time of this interview, she was listening to music by Caro Emerald. She describes her music as “1920s burlesque music". While that's what she was listening to then, she said that "next week it will be something different."
McGinnis is only still friends with one person from her high school. She went to a small high school similar to West Jeff and remarked how a lot of friendships made in small towns only exist because of the geography. She notes how that changes in college by saying, “When you go to college, you get to pick your friends. Geography isn’t dictating your friends. And the friends you make in college will be your friends for life.
Just like friendships, McGinnis said who a person is can also be dictated by geography. “Take me, and raise me in California, and I’m a different person.” She said she likes the Ohio version of herself because she is, “super casual and I’m really laid back and I don’t worry about much...I’m very country and I like being that. It’s who I am. It’s what I enjoy.”
Another thing McGinnis enjoys is being an author. “I love my job...I love being an author, I’m so lucky that I get to do this. It’s just a blessing.” Thankfully she’s had a good payoff; she has won multiple Edgar Awards and has written many poignant novels.
Even though she loves her job, she finds herself falling victim to procrastination. She said one time she defrosted the deep freezer when she needed to revise one of her novels. She jokes, “I was like, ‘This needs to be done, this hasn’t been done in years. Somebody’s got to do this.’”
She recognized that she is lucky because she has achieved her dream. She advises anybody who wants to have a career in the arts to “make that your plan B.” This tough love advice sounds bad, but she concedes, “You have to eat and you have to have a roof over your head and you have to pay your bills. And art, unfortunately, does not do that for 90% of the people that produce it.” That being said, she believes that it is worth it to follow your dreams.
One of the best parts of any Mindy McGinnis novel is the diverse and developed characters. In one of her most popular novels, The Female of the Species, even the “bad” characters still have humanitarian and likable traits, most notably Branley. McGinnis said she didn’t mean to make Branley that human when she first started writing the book. “Branley became a real person and I think it says a lot that it wasn’t my intention. She did it. And that made me think. What was I going to do? I was just going to write a dumb cheerleader? No, she wasn’t going to let that happen.” She creates her characters, but they teach her lessons.
This article physically can’t cover every topic Mindy and I dove into; it would literally be 10,000 words and we would be here for years. Mindy McGinnis is like the cool wine aunt that your mom doesn’t want you to talk to at family events because she speaks too much truth. I would do anything to have her be my aunt. I’m not kidding.
Real Issues. Real Conversations. An Ohio Humanities Podcast
SUMMARY
Rachel Claire Hopkin talks with Ohio author Mindy McGinnis about her new book, "Heroine."
SHOW NOTES
In this episode of Ohio Humanities’ Real Issues: Real Conversations podcast, Ohio author Mindy McGinnis talks about her latest YA novel Heroine(Harper Collins, 2019).
Mindy McGinnis is an Ohio-born-and-bred ninth generation farmer and an award-winning author of YA fiction. Mindy’s latest book, Heroine, has been described as “captivating and powerful exploration of the opioid crisis—the deadliest drug epidemic in American history—through the eyes of a college-bound softball star” and a “visceral and necessary novel about addiction, family, friendship, and hope.”
Beside authoring YA fiction, Mindy also blogs and podcasts about writers and the writing process under the title of Writer, Writer Pants On Fire.
Mindy McGinnis is interviewed by folklorist/radio producer Rachel Hopkin
The podcast’s opening and closing music is provided by Sokolovsky Music
Real Issues: Real Conversations is a production of Ohio Humanities, the state-based partner of the National Endowment for the Humanities. The views expressed in this podcast do not necessarily reflect those of the National Endowment. This podcast is also made possible, in part, with support from The Ohio State University’s Humanities Institute.
Mindy McGinnis on Creating a Snow Globe of Writing Efficiency
Ep. 140
Mindy McGinnis is an Edgar Award-winning novelist who writes across multiple genres, including post-apocalyptic, historical, thriller, contemporary, mystery, and fantasy. While her settings may change, you can always count on Mindy’s books to deliver grit, truth, and an unflinching look at humanity and the world around us.
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Six Questions: An interview with Mindy McGinnis
1) Do you think that personal experience with mental illness or addiction is necessary to write a book which deals with mental health or addiction?
I think a measure of it is useful, of course. And – if we’re being honest – pretty much all of is have that, either in our own experience or through loved ones. Having never been an addict myself (to substances, anyway), I wanted to be sure that I knew what I was talking about when I wrote this book. Research involved reading thousands upon thousands of pages about addiction, but also talking to counselors and addicts. The best compliments I’ve had for HEROINE is when a recovered addict tells me I got it right.
2) It’s clear that society is facing a massive addiction crisis, particularly when it comes to heroin. How much was your book inspired by that ongoing issue?
I got the idea for writing HEROINE after visiting a school district that had been particularly hard hit by the opioid crisis in southern Ohio. That, combined with my own experiences as a school librarian for fourteen years (and an intense love of softball + respect for female athletes) were the two sticks that struck together to create the spark for the story.
3) More often then not, when we’re dealing with books about young adult and sports, it’s written as a male character; yours obviously has a female lead. Why do you think that is?
I was a YA librarian for 14 years in a public school system. I could count on one hand books that featured female athletes, and needed both hands to count off male authors who only wrote about male athletes. As a former high school athlete who was also a reader, I had to wonder – why the disparity? There’s no real reason. So I set out to plug that hole.
4) I noticed that a few of the reviews noted that the book made readers uncomfortable because of the subject matter. Is that level of discomfort a basic requirement when dealing with a topic this heavy?
It depends entirely on the reader. I’ve written books where people get set on fire, or nine year olds are shooting someone to protect their water source. I don’t pull punches and I don’t shy from rough topics. I show teens using drugs – and liking it – in this book. I’m sure it will make some people uncomfortable. That’s reality. It’s not pretty or nice or kind or comfortable.
5) Your book comes with a trigger warning about how has “realistic descriptions” of opioid use, and there has been a good amount of debate over the subject of trigger warnings in recent years. I’d love to hear your thoughts about why you included one and what your thoughts are on the subject generally.
I’ve never used trigger warnings in any of my books, regardless of the fact they all do feature pretty intense content. For this one, I chose to include a trigger warning because of the honest depictions of drug use. It’s not an after school special with people doing drugs and immediately hating themselves or puking. They do drugs and love how it makes them feel. I didn’t want a recovered addict to read a realistic description of the high of heroin, and miss it enough to relapse.
6) If you could do it again – anything you’d do differently with the book?
Too early to say. I can point to things in my older releases that I would do differently because I have some distance and time has passed since I wrote them. HEROINE is still too fresh to have that perspective.
Harper Stacks: Krista Taracuk on Mindy McGinnis' Heroine
The paradox of the same pronunciation of the words heroine and heroin are pivotal to Mindy McGinnis’s latest work Heroine. The author tackles the front-page headlines of the opioid crisis through the eyes of her teenage protagonist and superstar athlete, Mickey. Mickey’s physician prescribes Oxycontin to her after a severe injury sustained in a car accident and through the pages of this novel, we slowly see how Oxy consumes all aspects of her life.
In a recent conversation with award-winning author Mindy McGinnis, she stated, “It was important to me to create an addict that readers would feel empathy for, and – according to my early readers – it seems to have worked. I’ve had a lot of people tell me that they were sucked into Mickey’s slippery logic, her self-justification for always seeking out the next fix, to the point that they were almost rooting for her to get what she believed she needed…. not help, but heroin. That’s exactly the reaction I was looking for.”
Coaches hear the horror stories of their athletes who return to school after an injury or an operation and are immediately asked by other students if they have leftover drugs to sell. Emergency squads are inundated with calls for overdose victims. There’s a raging debate about how tax dollars are diverted to deal with the effects of the drug epidemic. Illicit substances can change the course of family life and the trajectory of development where addiction and dependence are prevalent; this can take the form of grandparents raising children, adjustments for teachers, and early intervention by medical professionals. Children in these situations might experience physical, emotional, psychological, and academic setbacks. Teachers are experiencing a higher rate of burn out dealing with the range of issues that are associated with children impacted by addiction and dependence. It’s even been recommended that the common citizen should carry Narcan.
So what does the opioid crisis have to do with libraries? Where do libraries fall in this issue? This book highlights the intersection where teachers, parents, educators, and students can see the impact of substance use. Reading this book helps bring about a better understanding of the protagonist’s challenges to the wide range of issues that are faced. One of the stops on the way to understanding someone’s journey with addiction and dependence involves accessing resources and knowledge. We need libraries involved in the process because they help disseminate information, share resources to the community, offer a space for forums, and provide access to those seeking information. Those with limited means and resources are utilizing the tools of the libraries more and more for those services.
Mindy McGinnis
The author states, “It’s easy to slot people into arbitrary “good” and “bad” categories, but I often tell aspiring writers to remember that no one is ever the villain in their own narrative. Everyone that makes a bad choice has a good reason (to them) why they did it. Readers find themselves sliding down the slope of self-justification along with Mickey, and that’s right where I want them to be – with her, slipping. Not judging from a safe distance.”
Thus, public and school librarians are in the midst of unusual conversations about whether staff members should be provided with the medical tool of Narcan. As staff are not trained for this mission, fear of misuse and lack of education are major concerns. Clinical studies have shown that paramedics have been using Narcan for 40 years as an assistance in reversing an overdose. Though not as dramatic as jolting awake like in the movies, the nasal dose used by non-medical personnel gives a few more minutes of life to the overdose victim before the EMTs arrived. One nasal dose of Narcan is considered the standard. Yet, this brings us to Carfentanil, a more potent form of fentanyl which is used to sedate large animals like horses, elephants, etc. Carfentanil might take 3 or 4 doses of Narcan to help the person; how on earth is a public or school library staff member supposed to know this? Having Narcan on hand falls under the Good Samaritan Act and is considered to be just another tool like a fire extinguisher, defibrillator, aspirin for heart attacks, etc. However, the impacts of the opioid epidemic are providing new challenges to citizens in jobs that require no medical training.
Thus, the realistic and well-researched novel Heroine by the ever-fascinating Mindy McGinnis is an excellent discussion starter among educators, kids, and their parents. The author states that “I’m hoping as Heroine finds more readers, that it will provide a safe space for parents and teens to talk about things like addiction through the lens of fiction, then branch out into their own realities.”
This book provides a harrowing view on the intersection where teachers, parents, students, and community members can see the impact of substance use. It is a must read for all citizens as the epidemic has started to impact each and every one of us, whether we know it or not.
Refinery 29: Mindy McGinnis: "My YA Books Aren't Here To Please Adults"
When my book A Madness So Discreet was released in 2015, I had the occasional reader ask, “Why would you write a book for teens where the main character is being sexually abused by her father?”
My answer?
Because that’s who it happens to.
While my books cover the gamut of genres, they are always looking deeply into the dark corners of our world, places that some prefer not to go. My answer to that question would set the occasional person back. Others would nod knowingly. That’s who I’m writing for.
As a former high school librarian, I fully support reading for escape. I worked for 14 years in a rural, economically depressed area — the same area I grew up in and still live in. Some of my students needed to read about fantasy and fairy tales, and were desperately looking for the happily ever after that many romances promised, but reality failed to deliver.
But others needed to see themselves in the pages of the books they read — be it an alcoholic parent, an abusive relationship, a sexual-assault survivor, or just a hardscrabble kid down on their luck looking for a way out. Where I’m from, luck runs thin, and there aren’t many ways out.
I began writing for teens in 2010 after years of handing my students books set in the glitz of big cities, often following lives of the famous or wealthy. Characters in these books had handbags that cost more than my students’ entire wardrobes, and they certainly didn’t walk to school or have to worry about not having a coat to wear when the temperatures dropped. I wanted rural kids to see themselves and their struggles in fiction, so I set out to do just that.
When I wrote The Female of the Species in 2016 — a rape-revenge, vigilante-justice story — I fully expected it to be banned. Instead, my inbox filled with upraised fists, shared experiences, and heartfelt thank yous. A woman in her forties told me that if she’d had that book growing up, she would have reported her attacker. The grit in those pages was hard for many readers, but for many more it was an abrasion they have felt before and known too well. To see it play out differently this time — and with a note of hope at the end — was a balm.
Writing Heroine, which is about the opioid epidemic, was no different.
I pride myself on not pulling punches, but this was one story where I didn’t know what to strike out at. Anger drove The Female of the Species, but tales of addiction don’t have an obvious villain. Holding big pharma responsible for their role in the epidemic will be key in reality, but for fiction I needed a smaller picture, an emotional foothold rather than an agenda. As it turns out, that foothold was easy to find. Too easy.
In the late spring of 2017, I was visiting a school in southern Ohio — an area hard hit by the opioid crisis and considered by many to be the epicenter. As I spoke with the librarians and educators over lunch, they told me that their local economy was struggling. No one carried cash any longer, they paid each other in pills. If you lived there, I was told, you had a few employment opportunities — the school, the prison, the hospital, or...you sold drugs. You can guess which one paid the best.
This wasn’t said judgmentally, but with true grief. They were watching their students overdose and their own friends and families succumb. A complicated mix of sympathy and confusion clouded their words, along with a sense of urgency and need for hope. I drove home thinking of them, their students, and of the people in my own life who have been pulled into the vortex. A phrase they used at lunch stuck with me, and I’ve heard it repeated multiple times when I meet educators, reviewers, librarians, booksellers, and readers: Everyone knows someone.
That someone is an every person — not a different race, not a homeless woman on the street, not the rough guy hanging out in the parking lot. It’s the girl sitting next to you in math class, the parent who runs the carpool, or the athlete who needs to push past the pain in order to perform.
When writing Mickey, my main character in Heroine, it was important to make her goals the reader’s goals. I’ve had readers tell me they were almost rooting for Mickey to get her next fix because that is what she needed to “be well” enough to walk out onto the softball field and catapult her team into the spotlight. The slippery logic of addiction is at work in Mickey and wheedles its way into the reader as well, creating the all-important element of empathy.
I’d like to see Heroine performing in reverse to my original goals as a writer. My readers may indeed see themselves in these pages. But more importantly, I want them to see Mickey in the people around them. And if they can feel for her, maybe they can feel for them, too.
Realism is a large part of what I deliver with my writing, and Heroine is no different. There is no neat answer, no happy ending. What I bring with my fiction is what I felt was needed at that lunch meeting, and in all of our lives right now: some hope.
As with my other works, there is darkness. As with my other works, I wrote it because it’s honest about what’s happening. But in this case, it’s not just for teens.
It’s happening to all of us.
Mindy McGinnis On Local Radio WWGH 107.1 FM
“It’s Not Nancy Drew Out There": Writing Tough Topics for Teens
Rape. Murder. Suicide. Overdose. It might sound like the lead-in for a true crime show, but it’s a sampling of the traumas my students dealt with in the more than a decade that I worked in a high school library. I’m from a rural community in Ohio, graduating under 100 kids every year. The grass is green, the wheat is golden, and hometown football games are the place to be on a Friday night. While the setting may sound idyllic, our lives often aren’t.
Almost 25 percent of our students live below the poverty level. Lines at food banks are long, and often those standing in them lack other essentials as well—like a good winter coat. But class inequality and nature aren’t the only things that harm us. Sometimes we hurt one another, and often we hurt ourselves. Even though I worked in a school serving a very small community, staff and students experienced the traumas mentioned above—in some cases more than once.
Teen literature as we know it today did not exist when I was growing up, and there was a very large gap between what I read as a middle schooler before making the jump to adult titles. I often joke that I went from reading books about hiding a stray puppy in the basement so that allergic parents wouldn’t know it’s in the house to . . . Cujo.
There were a handful of authors available to me as a teen—Judy Blume, Lois Duncan, Caroline B. Cooney, and Christopher Pike, to name a few—who did push the envelope as far as content was concerned, and I am eternally grateful to them. Even so, topics such as rape or addiction weren’t something many authors were willing to address or, when they did, were handled so carefully as to render the text vague and antiseptic.
When I wrote The Female of the Species as an adult—a rape-revenge, vigilante-justice story—I got in trouble . . . with my mother. She was upset that I would talk so openly in a book for teens about consensual sex, violence, rape, and drinking. I remember defending the book by telling her, “It’s not Nancy Drew out there anymore.”
Since the publication of The Female of the Species, I have received emails, tweets, and messages from multiple girls and women letting me know how much the story resonated with them. One woman in her 40’s said that if she had read a book like it when she was a teenager, she might have found the strength and courage to report her attacker rather than accept such behavior as the norm.
Heroine, my newest release that focuses on a female athlete and the opioid epidemic, has garnered much the same reaction. Early readers reached out, thanking me for writing about addiction in a way that empathized with the user, sharing how their loved one suffers and that the book helped them understand that struggle a little bit better.
If writing about difficult topics makes it more likely for people to feel comfortable talking about them, then I consider my work a success, even if I am not a household name. I have heard from multiple parents that Heroine helped them open up a conversation with their teens about prescription drug abuse, and I know that The Female of the Species is very often a mother-daughter read.
As a librarian I became good at finding the readership for a particular book, especially for my students who were dealing with tough topics. It’s a small town, and often I knew what their story was, without them having to tell it. I could pair a teen with a title, and felt the warmth of reward when they finished it and asked for another like it. It’s an unfortunate fact that a book like Heroineor Female of the Species has elements that will resonate with so many young people. As I explained to my mother—it’s not Nancy Drew out there anymore.The truth is it never was. We just didn’t talk about it.
Libro FM Interview with Mindy McGinnis
Edgar Award-winning author Mindy McGinnis has written across multiple genres, and her newest audiobook takes on a heavy topic: a young female athlete that finds herself a victim of the opioid epidemic. I had the chance to speak with Mindy at Winter Institute about her upcoming release Heroine, out 3/12, narrator Brittany Pressley, and her favorite audiobooks.
So how did this story surrounding a female athlete and the opioid epidemic take shape?
On a school visit to a city in Ohio that is generally thought to be one of the epicenters of the opioid epidemic, McGinnis spoke with local librarians and learned that if you lived in this city, you worked at the school, the hospital, the prison, or you sold drugs. Sadly, many opted for selling drugs.
She had been wanting to write a story featuring a female athlete for a long time–having worked in a high school library for several years, she knew that female athletes weren’t often the center of stories.
“I wanted to write about the opiod crisis and I wanted to write about female athletes and those two things are married, unfortunately, very easily,” she says. “So that’s how the whole concept came about.”
Mickey is a softball player with a bright future, and she’s the hero–the heroine–of this story. But she’s not particularly extraordinary. “I’m using this character that is in every woman,” said McGinnis. She’s not the most popular girl, she’s not the best athlete on the team even. She is very good at what she does, but she’s not beautiful, she’s not smart, she’s not perfect, she’s not any of these things.”
Mickey’s relatability is key, as the reader will watch her make small choice after small choice that will ultimately lead to addiction.
McGinnis did a lot of research before this book was written and she took it very seriously, knowing how crucial it would be to the telling of this story: “Because of the expanse of the opioid epidemic, everyone knows someone, so it was important that this was correct and people are going be able to see themselves or someone that they know.”
Unlikeable Female Characters Podcast
This week we chat with prolific and badass YA writer Mindy McGinnis (author of The Female of the Species, This Darkness Mine, Heroine, and many more) about being an unlikeable female character in small-town Ohio, writing realistically flawed teenage girls, and why you better watch out for band geeks.
YABC Teen Read Week: Mindy McGinnis →
ABC: What book or books were your go-to choice when you were a teen?
YA as we know it didn't exist when I was a teen, so I went straight from middle grade books to Stephen King. Learned a lot, real fast.
ABC: What do you love most about the YA genre?
What I love most about writing for teens is the constant possibilities. Adults tend to lead somewhat static lives, usually moving in the same schedule and staying within the same social circles. Teenage live is much more volatile, for the good and the bad.
YABC: What 3 YA books would you love to recommend to our readers?
MONDAY'S NOT COMING by Tiffany D. Jackson
ANGER IS A GIFT by Mark Oshiro
THE WEIGHT OF FEATHERS by Anne Marie McLemore
Bookaxe Grill the Author: Mindy McGinnis
Teaching Tolerance: The Opioid Crisis
During an opioid overdose, the brain betrays the body. A single event—be it a rush of heroin or fentanyl or a semisynthetic prescription painkiller like oxycodone—sets off a series of repercussions: The drug travels from the bloodstream to the brain; it latches itself to opioid receptors; it suppresses the brain’s ability to control breathing rate; it blurs the brain’s recognition of dangerous carbon dioxide levels in the bloodstream; it causes the brain to cross wires in its communication with the diaphragm; and, finally, the drug causes failure in the lungs to breathe in and out as normal. The drug suffocates its user, systemically.
The suffocating tendrils of addiction reach wide…
Writer to Writer: An Interview with Author Mindy McGinnis
WOUB: ‘Blood, Brains, and Lobotomies’ Coming to SEO History Center
A Madness So Discreet is a young adult historical fiction novel set in the late 1800s that follows the story of Grace Mae, a young woman who has been raped by her father, a well-established Boston politician, and unwillingly admitted to an insane asylum. In the book, which was written by Ohio-based author Mindy McGinnis, Grace manages to get out of the inhumane quarters of the Boston asylum she was originally imprisoned in to the Athens Insane Asylum, a humane hospital that still overlooks Athens.
On Thursday, April 19 at 6 p.m., McGinnis is coming to the Southeast Ohio History Center (24 West State Street, Athens) to give a free presentation entitled “Blood, Brains, and Lobotomies,” which will explore the history of the Athens Insane Asylum (especially as it pertains to McGinnis’ Edgar-Award-wining book,) as well as the history of the treatment of the mentally ill, a subject that McGinnis researched in great deal before writing the book. The presentation is also a part of the history center’s ongoing 2018 celebration of the Athens Asylum’s sesquicentennial anniversary.
McGinnis learned of the Athens Asylum by way of Katherine Ziff’s lauded Asylum on the Hill: the History of a Healing Landscape, which she picked up from Ziff at the Ohioana Book Fair several years ago.
“After I read the book, I knew that I wanted to set a novel there, if I could ever come up with a plot for it,” said McGinnis. “Asylum on the Hill is great, it’s a very thorough history of the asylum that dispels the many misconceptions that people have about the asylum. Those misconceptions, that the asylum is a scary place, or a haunted place, are just good fodder for bad, untrue stories. In fact, the asylum was one of the best places to be if you were mentally impaired in the early 1900s.”
McGinnis was fascinated with the hospital’s moral treatment plan, which meant providing a beautiful, inspiring grounds for patients to work and heal together. The entire asylum, although it may look stark and mysterious on the hillside overlooking the Ohio River, was actually built according to the Kirkbride Plan, which was literally an asylum building plan contingent to some very humane theories in the treatment of the mentally ill: that they needed sources of natural light and ventilation.
“It’s true that the asylum was overcrowded later on, but in the beginning, it was pretty idyllic, patients farmed and made their own clothes and food, it was a completely self-sustaining environment that gave the patients a sense of belonging and purpose, and it was also all free,” said McGinnis. “It was wonderful, but over the years people did start to abuse the asylum, like if you had an elderly relative at home that you just didn’t want to take care of anymore, you’d just drop them up on the hill. Although any asylum could be, of course, horrible, honestly the story of the Athens Asylum is one of the nicest ones you’re going to find.”
Katherine Ziff’s “Asylum on the Hill,” which played a part in inspiring Mindy McGinnis to write “A Madness So Discreet.”
McGinnis said that her discovery of Ziff’s book came just as McGinnis was supposed to pitch another novel, so she pursued the idea of a novel set there with more intensity, devouring both The Devil In the White City: Murder, Magic, and Madness and the Fair that Changed America (about American serial killer Dr. H.H. Holmes by Erik Larson) and The Lobotomist: A Maverick Medical Genius and His Tragic Quest to Rid the World of Mental Illness (a biography of Dr. Walter Freeman, who simplified the lobotomy procedure in the ‘50s, and who travelled around the country performing the procedure by Jack El-Hai,). McGinnis read lots of other books about the history of psychiatry, rounding out in about 18 months of research before she had even written a word of A Madness So Discreet.
The history of psychiatry is a notoriously difficult topic. From the discipline’s early struggles to be considered a hard science with the capability to confront some of the most baffling issues of the human condition to the early methods of treatment for the mentally ill that were, at best, ineffective, and at worst, terribly inhumane. Perhaps the most controversial of these methods was the psychosurgery known as the prefrontal lobotomy, which effectively cuts most of the connections to and from the prefrontal cortex in the brain. The prefrontal cortex houses one’s personality, will to live, and general executive function capabilities. Although the procedure is thought of as barbaric now, it should be noted that in 1949 Portuguese neurologist António Egas Moniz won the Nobel Prize in Medicine for the development of the procedure.
Although the surgery did often come at the cost of the patient’s self immediately and permanently vanishing, it was considered a true innovation at the time, and widely utilized until the introduction of the first widely marketed antipsychotic, trazodone, in the ‘60s. Trazodone, and other antipsychotics, work largely the same way on the brain that a lobotomy does, only chemically. Antipsychotics are commonly prescribed to treat everything from schizophrenia to major depression to eating disorders.
“Dr. Freeman had a bad reputation, but he was actually a very good doctor,” said McGinnis. “He really did care about his patients, about the people he lobotomized. He would follow up with his patients for 5, 6, even 20 years after the lobotomy, he really believed he was helping people. We need to remember that, at the time, lobotomies were considered very humane, as the most humane way to treat some people. Of course, you should never do something to someone against their will, as some patients were lobotomized without their permission, but it’s interesting to think that another method of treatment that is sometimes considered inhumane is still used today: electroshock therapy. And it’s still used today because it works, in small doses, much smaller than what they were doing in the ‘50s, and as a last resort for some patients.”
McGinnis ran into a bit of problem while penning A Madness So Discreet, in that for several reasons she needed to set the book in the late 1800s, but the problem being that lobotomies, (a false lobotomy is performed on Grace in the book to make her “unreturnable” to her wealthy, abusive family,) did not actually become a regular, widespread practice until the late 1940s.
Enter Phineas Gage, one of the most famous names in the history of neuroscience.
Phones Gage with the tamping iron that shattered his skull and destroyed his left frontal lobe.
On September 13, 1848, American railroad construction foreman Phineas Gage was directing a work gang south of Cavendish, Vermont, blasting rock in preparation for a Rutland & Burlington Railroad. Around 4:30 p.m. that day an explosion threw a three-foot-seven-inch, 13.25-pound tamping iron through Gage’s open mouth, destroying his left frontal lobe. Improbably, Gage survived, going on to become one of the most famous cases in the history of neuroscience. Gage experienced some marked personality changes after the accident, which changed the way that scientists of the time understood the importance of the prefrontal cortex.
“I felt like it was very possible that in the late 1800s there might have been a doctor who used Phineas Gage as his touchstone for a procedure that would be a like a lobotomy, even if lobotomies were not widespread quite yet,” said McGinnis.
McGinnis decided on Grace as her protagonist for the book for several reasons, one of them being the fact that it would allow her to explore the injustices done to women at that time in history.
“The truth is that women had very few rights in the late 1800s, and the only think it took for a woman to be sent to an asylum for the rest of her life was for a male family member to recommend it and for a circuit court judge to sign off on it, and they could be easily bribed,” said McGinnis. “During my research I read about one instance where a woman was hospitalized just because her husband had his eye on a younger woman. He already had in his possession all the land that came as a part of his marriage to his wife, and he wanted the younger woman, for one, because she was younger, and for her land, as well. It was a very simple, common thing to bribe a circuit court judge and it was a very simple, common thing for male family members to have ulterior motives in sending their wives or daughters to the asylum.”
McGinnis said that sometimes she is questioned as to why she tackles the troubling topic of rape in her book, which is specifically targeted at younger readers.
“Some people ask me why I had the father be the aggressor in an abusive relationship with his daughter in the book, and the reason is: that’s who it happens to. It happens to young girls and it’s done to them by older male family members,” she McGinnis. “And it’s very important that Grace had some type of enormous trauma in her life as she is a selective mute, which is very important to the plot of the book.”